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Friday, The Pajama Pundit made a post on his blog that was mainly pointing out a post written by TheAmericanBoy. At some point in the day, members of the Team Sarah site, began inundating PJ?s post with comments, many of them fairly unfriendly.

The first mistake that many of the commenters made was not realizing that PJ had merely quoted a post from another blog. They attacked the post as if the posted words were PJ?s and not TheAmericanBoy. Several of the posts look like they are copied and pasted from a list of talking points.

I jumped into the fray to when I noticed that there were holes in the talking points. I state my disagreement with Palin on her stance towards aerial hunting, abortion, and gay rights. I certainly expected them to come back at me, and I half expect them to come after me here on this post as well, so I didn?t do this blindly.

They try to claim that I would be willing to kill unborn babies. Which isn?t anywhere near the truth. I am pro-choice but mainly on the grounds that I don?t feel that I am anywhere near qualified to make the choice for other people about whether or not they get an abortion.

They claim that my understanding of wildlife conservation must be off because I?m against the idea of hunting wolves by aircraft, and that apparently the wolf population in Iowa is so great that our herd is almost gone. Even though the deer population is so great in Iowa that in 2005 a bill was passed through the state legislature to allow special hunting permits to farmers to thin out local herds. In 2005 it was estimated that there were nearly 600,000 deer in Iowa.

Finally among what appears to be many people commenting under Anonymous, one of them provides a civil discussion. Finally a sane voice among the chaos. I have no problem with people who have differing opinions as long as they can argue them with facts and civility.

At that point I headed off to get supper and work on fighting the flu that I developed Thursday night. When I checked the site the next day I could see that several of the other regular visitors to the Pajama Pundit had jumped in. The discussion had apparently only continued and gotten worse. Many of the commenters from Team Sarah had not yet realized that the original post wasn?t PJ?s words. He did his best to set the record straight on that.

Up till this point the only person from Team Sarah to have made a valid and civil argument was the one Anonymous I had conversed with about abortion and gay rights. It looks like they were running out of arguments when another Anonymous brings up the debunked idea that Obama is a Muslim and a terrorist.

Why is it that many Americans just assume that all Muslims are bad? I try to point out that all Muslims are not evil or terrorists.

They come back with this?

Vast, Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.
Mohammad Ali became a Muslim to avoid the draft – duh.
MalcolmX converted to Islam for his own agenda – some say BO is his secret son. http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/obama_x-1.gif

I reply pointing out that

Timothy McVeigh was not a Muslim.
Lee Harvey Oswald was not a Muslim.
The Members of the Irish Republican Army were not Muslim.
Even The Weather Underground, the group associated with Bill Ayers was not Muslim. They drew their inspiration from the Black Panthers. They were a Marxist type group.
No, not all terrorists are Muslim.

They come back with?

Listen up Vast, stop going off on a tangent.
I never said Ayers was a Muslim. I said BO HUSSEIN is a friggin Muslim!!!
Get it? LISTEN his own words! Links already given.

At this point the logic in their argument is non-existent. They have agreed that all Muslims are not terrorists, even though for some reason the idea that having a President that is a Muslim would be the ultimate destruction of America. And no Obama is not a Muslim. But they say that all Terrorists are Muslim. When I point out several examples of non-Muslim terrorists they try to re-qualify their remark.

Vast, you need to sharpen your reading and comprehension skills – otherwise you are simply wasting my time.
READ with your eyes WIDE open. I said ‘not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims’ in the world today.
Bill Ayers ( buddy of BO Hussein) is a DOMESTIC terrorist.
He must have learnt the tricks of the trade from BO Hussein. But unlike Muslim terrorists, Ayers is not blowing up 3000 innocent people today.

The words? ?In the world today? don?t show up in their previous post and are not even implied. Even if it was they are still incorrect in their logic because of groups like FARC.

And the comment about Bill Ayers having learned his terrorist ways from Obama, who would have been about 6 years old at the time of the Weather Underground’s domestic terrorist campaign is beyond laughable.

This is why fanaticism in any form is so dangerous and counter productive. I applaud Team Sarah?s efforts in working toward getting their candidate of choice to run in the 2012 Presidential election. But if your going to present arguments that aren?t based on any sort of fact then all you have left is the fanaticism.

I understand the frustrations that came out of the close race of 2000. Had the compact been in place at that time Al Gore would have been our 43rd President. But doing away with the electoral college system in this way bothers me. Allowing the race for president to hinge solely on popular votes means that smaller states will have little to no say in the elections. States like California, New York, and Florida will always decide the outcome. The electoral college creates sense of equality among the states and I don?t like the idea of loosing that.

I got a little emotional as the results came in on the west coast and it was pretty much over. It took me until well after midnight to calm down enough that I could get some sleep before going to bed.

But now that the election is over, the hard work begins.

I was also disappointed last night with this from the LA TImes.

It’s very upsetting to see that while the nation is finially putting one issue of equality behind them, the gay and lesbian community still has a long road to go. Adding legal discrimination to state constitutions is horrifying. I do hope that the Obama administration repeals DOMA.

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